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Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

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moderate-man
Joined on 09 XII 2006
Total posts: 25

Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

17. března 2008 11:39

What a joke ! Since they are clearly one and the same thing of course there is agreement.
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keggs
Joined on 24 XII 2005
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

17. března 2008 15:31

These anti IDSF never give up do they?

Regards
Steve Kelly
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simplydancer
Joined on 04 XII 2007
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

17. března 2008 22:58

Do you remember, there was virtualy the same agreement between IDSF and WDC until WDC openly endorsed the IDU amateur World Championship that tutned out to be a farce, but the agreement was clearly broken first by WDC. And that is no joke.
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keggs
Joined on 24 XII 2005
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

18. března 2008 0:12

Hi Simplydancer

Moderate Man is right in one thing. The IDSF and IPDSC are both singing from the same hymn sheet. So, with a bit of luck, if their cooperation produces results then the WDC will quickly be seen as totally useless. This agreement may in fact be the death knell for the WDC.

As an aside, I received info today from the World Games Association. Two German cities appear to favourite to mutually host the 2013 World Games. As Dance Sport features in this, the IDSF and maybe the IPDSC will no doubt be involved. Where does that leave the WDC?

Regards
Steve
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sambatogo
Joined on 29 VIII 2007
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

19. března 2008 19:03

Keggs statements is just a reflection on how sad and low the people in Dancesport can be. To quote Keggs, " So, with a bit of luck, if their cooperation produces results then the WDC will quickly be seen as totally useless."

This type of statement is destructive and shows a complete lack of respect to the great history, and the many great and top dancers that the WDC has now, and has always had.

How anyone can wish danceport harm like this in any way, is beyond comprehension! People like this are not welcome surely in Dancesport! And just have purely political motives?

Sambatogo has been criticised in the past over statements over the IDSF. But has never wished for its total destruction! Just an amendments to its dictatorial and restricitve policies,

Sambatogo.   

 

 

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keggs
Joined on 24 XII 2005
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

19. března 2008 21:29

Dear Sambatogo

Your comments are both ridiculous and a deliberate misrepresentation of what I said.

You miss the whole point. The WDC are living in the past as you appear to be confirm from your comment regarding history. Those involved with both the IDSF and the IPDSC share a similar vision for our sport. This is different from the WDC. Yes, it is a battle between keeping social and competitive dancing as it is now - old fashioned, backward looking and increasingly irrelevant and a different vision of a fuure which is dynamic, sport oriented, anti professional / amateur.

If the IDSF and IPDSC is supported by the vast majority of dancers worldwide (despite recent unfortunate problems which are not condoned, I repeat not condoned by me) then the demise of the WDC will be the reseult of its own actions or rather non action and not from the behaviour of others. You seem to forget that it was the WDC who broke off the General Agreement. That point is now fact in law.

I don't want to see anything destroyed and I take great exception to that remark. But the maxim here is modernise or die. I can't put it any stronger. The WDC appears to want to die by its own sword. Australia's reconstruction bears testimony to that. Other countries in time will no doubt see the wisdom of what Australia has done.

Twenty years ago I predicted certain things happening in my own country - Great Britain. A recent comment made on another forum regarding an issue we have here has proved me right. I will therefore make another prediction. If the WDC continues to play the dual hand of antagonist & victim at the same time then its demise is assured. It accuses the IDSF of all sorts of things. Some may be true, but the WDC is underhanded in all its dealings as far as I can see. They may protest that their Amateur League is only in existence because of what 'dancers' have asked for. I would suggest they protest too much. In time I think dancers will realise what this is - a deliberate and childish attempt to undermine the IDSF.

The IDSF no doubt needs reform but at least it has a vision dancers can sign up to. The WDC has no vision. If it does then it's kept deadly quiet. Or perhaps more accurately, the WDC doesn't know what it wants.

If the leaders of this supposedly illustrious body (in your eyes) don't get a grip and grow up then they have only themselves to blame.Their death is in their own hands and can't be blamed on anyone else including me.

Best wishes
Steve Kelly
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quicktime2
Joined on 31 VIII 2007
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

19. března 2008 23:37

Dear Keggs

 

You wrote Yes, it is a battle between keeping social and competitive dancing as it is now - old fashioned, backward looking and increasingly irrelevant and a different vision of a future which is dynamic, sport oriented, anti professional / amateur.

 

 Is that really what the battle is about? I agree that is certainly the way it is being portrayed by IDSF. But what are the facts to support it?

 

The IDSF have been very open in saying that their goal is to control all of dancesport. They are not satisfied with controlling the amateur portion and having WDC control the professional portion. Believe what they say.

 

That is what the battle is about.

 

IDSF says all their actions are necessary as they are an IOC Sport Federation and must follow their rules.

 

The problem with this argument, is that there is virtually no chance that dancesport will ever be nominated as an Olympic Medal Sport.

 

This battle has nothing to do with changes to ballroom dance competitions. It only has to do with the IDSF craving for power.

 

Change can come under WDC or IDSF leadership (or both). So far the only changes IDSF are making have to do with trying to be in the Olympics. But if dancesport is never going to be in the Olympics, are these changes necessary? Or desirable? Do competitors want them? IDSF has never asked the competitors what they want. You may say – well neither have WDC. And you may be right.

 

But consider this. The WDC includes all the "greats" in ballroom dancing. If changes need to be made shouldn't we tell them? I see no evidence that they are not doing what competitors want. If we are going to have only one organization, I am for the WDC who have people that were world champions and who have devoted their life to ballroom competition dancing. It seems to me they deserve our support.

 

Sure IDSF may have lawyers and other professionals who are in it for power and prestige – something that they apparently couldn't earn in their own profession. Even dismissing the whole issue of the Olympics, are these the people you want running your professional organization? I assume Keggs you are a professional. Are these the people you want as leaders? Shouldn't our leaders be individuals who were leaders in OUR profession?

 

Regards from a

Fellow professional

 

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keggs
Joined on 24 XII 2005
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

20. března 2008 0:44

Dear Quicktime2

Irrespective of who is the governing body of our sport. Irrespective of whether we are or are not in the Olympics, we need only ONE body that governs world dance sport and that body should be free of professionals or amateurs. This is no longer relevant.

As for your 'greats' what have they ever really done for dance sport except perpetuate a system that's outdated and in lots of ways is corrupt.

I am no fan of either the IDSF or WDC but at least the IDSF has a vision which I can subscribe to.

You state that the IDSF only crave power. The same could be said of the WDC, which I might add is modelled on the British Dance Council. This latter body is the major body in Britain that purports to be the governing body of Dance Sport in the UK (it isn't recognised as such by the British Government) but in all nigh on 40 years of my involvement in dancing as an amateur and professional this supposed august body which is around 90% professionally controlled has done very little for social or comeptitive dancing in this country. And I am not alone in believing this either.

Like so many in this small world of ours you seem to believe that because someone has become world champion we should all bow down and pay homage to these people and simply roll over and accept that they know best.

Well I for one will not roll over and I do not believe they know best. Like all professionals only their pocket matters and they can't even get that right these days.  My views and all others who don't 'follow the line' whether IDSF or WDC are as valid as anyone of these so called 'greats'.

You may be rather surprised that I as a professional should be so anti WDC. I am for one reason only. It is a backward, old fashioned organisation that in my opinion wants to keep everything the same as it was 50 years ago. Well, I for one think more of my sport than that. I want to see it prosper in or out of the Olympics. I don't believe the present political organisation will do that. And most certainly not the present WDC.

While you may well be right about the IDSF, like members of the IPDSC I have more in common with them than I now have with the WDC. I have more in common with EADA than I do with my own teaching society or the BDC.

Until we get rid of the pompous amateur - professional split we will continue with the problems we've got. Only by dropping this now defunct split will we will ever get the chance to develop our sport, including harmony. Australia while still having this split has found a better way. The Australian member of the WDC is now just a rump. They have their problems but at least they are working together to solve them.

Regards
Steve Kelly
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moderate-man
Joined on 09 XII 2006
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

21. března 2008 16:57

It's time to wake up and smell the roses for some of you. You can call dancing what you like but it's unlikely that the the rest of the world will follow your aspirations. Here is the list of recognised sports direct from the Olympic website.


RECOGNISED SPORTS LIST



Automobile
Air sports Orienteering
Bandy Pelote Basque
Billiard Sports Polo
Boules Powerboating
Bowling Racquetball
Bridge Roller Sports
Chess Rugby
Cricket Sport climbing
DanceSport Squash
Golf Surfing
Karate Sumo
Korfball Tug of War
Life Saving Underwater Sports
Motorcycle Racing Water Skiing
Mountaineering and Climbing Wushu

Netball

If you seriously think that the rest of the world considers Chess and Bridge as a sport then you are in need of medical attention. The Olympic movement classifies Dancing in the same list .

Please give me a break 

  

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keggs
Joined on 24 XII 2005
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Re: Agreement between IDSF and IPDSC reached - What a joke

21. března 2008 18:34

Hi Modetae-man

Not sure who your comment is directed at. Also, your comment that the Dance Sport is classified with Chess is wrong. Look at your own list.

I'm very confused whay yo were trying to say.

Best wishes
Steve Kelly
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