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British Council events Open to all , except the British
3. března 2008 6:33
Despite their protestations of only Open events taking place in Britain, the British Dance Council does not appear to understand its own rules. Whilst it will accept entries from any foreign competitor from any organisation into its 'Open Championships" it is only possible for British Amateur Competitors to take part if they are members of the relevant IDSF body ( EADA, WADA, Scottish Dancesport). Can that be fair, is it legal ???
Certainly they should not pretend to be the ruling body for all Competition dancing in GB since they ceded power to EADA etc. many years ago. and now have no input into the governing of Amateur affairs. Whilst that is as it should possibly be , the blame for the decline in success of British Amateurs can therefore fall totally at the door of the IDSF member Organisations.
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
3. března 2008 9:34
Give me a break. What utter garbage.
Steve
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
3. března 2008 17:59
To dance in an "Open" competition in Great Britain (all of which are run under BDC rules) you have to be a member of an Amatuer organisation within your own Country. This includes British competitors who have to be a member of one of the BDC recognised Amatuer Organisations such as EADA, WADA or SADA. Whether these Amatuer Organisations are in turn members of the IDSF is irrelevant and it is their choice as to whether they are members of IDSF or not.
Although EADA is recognised as the official association for Amatuers in England unfortunately the BDC have never conceded power to EADA!!!! EADA follow British Dance Council Rules and any rules or rule changes which EADA may wish to make have to be approved by the BDC. So I am sorry moderate-man but it is not correct that EADA are truly the "ruling body" for Amatuers in England.
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
4. března 2008 0:30
Thanks Elaine
I'm starting to get rather frustrated with these anti IDSF and anti anyone or anything associated with the IDSF. You would think the IDSF is the devil incarnate.
Blaming everything on the IDSF or WDC or BDC or CADA or any other organisation is both ridiculous and nonsensical. Everyone of us to blame in our own small way. The main blame lies in an outdated, old fashioned system that's beginning to seen for what it is.
One the one hand you have one group trying to push in one direction while another group trying to push in another direction. Competitors are stuck in the middle unsure which way to jump. One groups bans people, the other seduces them with an idea that somehow joining them will be better, but in reality competitiors will still have to follow their rules or face the consequences. But they don't tell you that.
If you want to see reall change for the better then start forcing the politicians on all sides to start working together for mutual aims, change the system and get rid of outdated practices.
While I have reservations about the way the IDSF beahves at least this particular body is trying to join the modern world. I can't say the same for the WDC. As far as I'm concerned the WDC is living a past century and is holding us back.
Best wishes
Steve
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
4. března 2008 0:53
Dear Elaine
Technically you are correct , however technically Queen Elizabeth II is head of State / Government..
Please realise that in UK Professionals have a free choice of which teaching Association/Society they belong to, Professional competitors have the same choice, i.e. to belong to their own Competitive Organisation, the BCDC, or not. Their only 'restriction' is that they have to register directly with the British Council. This is all I ask for Amateur Competitors. The same choice .
Amateur Competitors are not , as is stated in the rules ,registered with the BDC , they are members of another body e.g.EADA and therefore accepted as being registered.
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
4. března 2008 8:23
Dear Moderate-Man
I must confess to never having looked at the registration regulations for Pro competitors in England although like you say they do have a choice which Professional Teaching Organisation to register with. However, if they have to register directly with the BDC, if they wish to compete, then does this not put them in exactly the same position as the amatuers??
Reading between the lines of your last post I am wondering if you are suggesting that you think Amatuers could be better served by having to be registered with the BDC rather than EADA?? Is this the case or am I totally on the wrong track - lol.
The BDF now has an amatuer membership available so British Amatuers are able to join that organisation in a limited form, although they do still have to be members of EADA if they wish to compete.
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
5. března 2008 1:26
Dear Elaine
You are, indeed, most perceptive. Of course it makes sense to have many different ways to register with the Governing body. This prevents any one organisation from operating a monopoly. It would be illegal to do so in business.
There is an important difference in registering directly with the BDC ( this was suggested by the BDF but rejected for fear of upsetting the Amateur body). The BDC is directly aware of which professionals are registered, they have to rely on another body to inform them if amateurs are registered. So who controls who is currently able to dance as a British Amateur???
You are correct the BDF has amateur members but the BDC does not yet recognise them, is that fair??
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
5. března 2008 9:51
Hi moderate-man. You are beginning to see the lunacy of the present situation in Britain, something I've been imploring othere to realise it. The orgainsational system we have in Britain is not just outdated but is now starting to effect the way social and competitive dancing is run.
There really is only one way to solve this and many of the other issues our sport faces both in Britain and abroad.
You are correct in stating that EADA is in control of amateurs, but it is the BDC (a predominantly professiona ie teachers and in my view very undemocratic body) which makes the rules for all of us - amateur or professional. It is this lack of democracy and unaccountability that both angers and disapoints me and others like me.
By creating something new which is not controllede by any one group and which allows everyone to have a say via proper representation will transform the way our sport is governed. It will breathe new life into a sport that many see (in this country at least) as old fashioned and from a bygone era.
If you are starting to think a little more outside of the traditional view then welcome aboard. Perhaps my faith in other dancers is not unfounded.
Best wishes
Steve
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Re: British Council events Open to all , except the British
5. března 2008 23:28
 moderate-man:
Dear Elaine
You are, indeed, most perceptive. Of course it makes sense to have many different ways to register with the Governing body. This prevents any one organisation from operating a monopoly. It would be illegal to do so in business.
There is an important difference in registering directly with the BDC ( this was suggested by the BDF but rejected for fear of upsetting the Amateur body). The BDC is directly aware of which professionals are registered, they have to rely on another body to inform them if amateurs are registered. So who controls who is currently able to dance as a British Amateur???
You are correct the BDF has amateur members but the BDC does not yet recognise them, is that fair??
If the BDC was a democratically elected organisation as opposed to being a self appointed governing body then I would be a bit more inclined to agree that they should perhaps be the governing body for Amatuer dancers. However, as they are a predominantly professional organisation I do believe that certainly under the current situation that Amatuer dancers should have their own organisation to represent them and fight their corner if necessary!!!! Whilst I am often the first to criticsise EADA over certain things I do believe that they have certainly helped to win concessions from the BDC for amatuers in a number of areas, such as the Amatuer Coaching Scheme and Demonstrations.
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