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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 18:06
Hi ThinkofMe
Just a quickie as that is all I intend doing now unless I have a change of heart. You flatter me too much that I should have any influence on Polkadancer. I must admit I have been wondering why she hasn't responded for a while (in fact it's been since I stopped).
To give Polkadancer her due, she makes interesting comments even though I disagree most of the time. But that's democracy and she has every right to say what she thinks without fear of ridule.
It is just a pity that debate can't be a little bit more intelligent. This particular thread is just one instance of many.
There are many things happening in our small world which need addressing. Antagonsim between either individuals or organisations helps no one - it simply causes further division. So what, if the Quebec orgaisers use the word 'French' in their title. Does it really matter that much. So what if the IDSF get's a few things wrong about Bill Irvine. Does it really matter.
As I have said many times on this forum and elsewhere there really is only one way to rid ourselves of the problems that beset us, both internationally and nationally. You know what that is.
I said I was going to quick. Sorry, can't help myself.
Polkadancer, please don't stop writing on my account. If the level of debate improves then I might consider joining in again. As for you, what would the forum do without you?
Best wishes
Steve
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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 18:31
To polkadancer
You wrote:
It boils down to integrity and honesty. You have it or you do not.
When you do not then you call your event whatever you wish and supporters wriggle and wriggle to find an explanation why it is acceptable.
Dead on! It applies to so much that IDSF and their national organizations do. It's always spin the facts. Smoke and mirrors.
I can only hope you, as many of us, will find it hard to remain silent, as ballroom dancing is damaged by a relatively few individuals concerned with self-interest and personal power.
We need you polkadancer
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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 19:23
To Keggs
Does it really matter?
An event is held with a false title to supposedly give it more importance.
A letter is sent to the world signed by numerous individuals who have never even seen the letter.
Does it really matter?
You have said you are a professional dance teacher. I believe you understand ethical behaviour. And you know that different sorts of ethical behaviour are associated with different professions. Rightly or wrongly, the ethical behaviour we expect from a physician is considered quite different than the ethical behaviour of a used car salesman.
I would have thought you would be in favour of promoting a higher standard of ethical behaviour for dance professionals. This can only be done by refusing to accept the kind of actions under discussion. Object!
It's not the topic that's important. It's the principle. Don't just accept these seemingly unimportant actions. Particularly from professionals. Let's raise the standard.
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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 19:53
 quicktime2:To Keggs
Does it really matter?
An event is held with a false title to supposedly give it more importance.
A letter is sent to the world signed by numerous individuals who have never even seen the letter.
Does it really matter?
You have said you are a professional dance teacher. I believe you understand ethical behaviour. And you know that different sorts of ethical behaviour are associated with different professions. Rightly or wrongly, the ethical behaviour we expect from a physician is considered quite different than the ethical behaviour of a used car salesman.
I would have thought you would be in favour of promoting a higher standard of ethical behaviour for dance professionals. This can only be done by refusing to accept the kind of actions under discussion. Object!
It's not the topic that's important. It's the principle. Don't just accept these seemingly unimportant actions. Particularly from professionals. Let's raise the standard.
Hi Quicktime2
I do have high ethical standards and expect others to have them too. I agree if what you say is true that this is unacceptable. My point is that with all what's going on calling something North American French Open is not misleading. It it was just French Open then I would agree. But It didn't say that.
Sending a letter out with supposed signatures etc was I agree plain wrong and someone should be reprimanded at the very least.
Unfortunately, many in this small world of ours seem to fall into 2 camps ant-one and pro-the other. The reality is that both sides are corrupt. The whole of dancing is corrupt. I know it and so does everyone else. What does matter is what we do about it - all of us.
Regards
Steve
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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 20:06
Just a quick addendum to clarify my point. The City of Liverpool Championships are held in Bootle Town Hall. Bootle is not an area of Liverpool but is a town next door lying in the Brorogh of Sefton.
By rights it should be called the Bootle or Sefton Championships but it isn't. Is that misleading?
Steve
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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 20:46
 When this posting was put on this forum by us, we were quoting the title for results that appeared in many dance publications. That is the "French Open" at Le Classic.
It was not listed as the North American French Open or anything else. That is what we thought was wrong. Start and finnish of it. And that the sanctioning body should have at least thought that such a title was wrong too, and have intervened and corrected it.
Ultimately it is not of huge importance, but it does to us bring some credability questions when such licences are taken with titles.
Is it not common scence to have a French Open in France? Especially when "French Canada" has a name, QUEBEC!!
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Re: La Classic 2008
27. února 2008 21:44
Hi Sambatigo
I agree. It would have been far better if it was called Quebec Open or such some name. Perhaps it was just trouble making by those who organised it.
Why can't the powers that be just stop all this sillyness and begin to discuus things properly. As I've said before doing things that antagonise is not the way to foster good relationships.
Regards
Steve
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Re: La Classic 2008
28. února 2008 15:27
sambatogo:
When this posting was put on this forum by us, we were quoting the title for results that appeared in many dance publications. That is the "French Open" at Le Classic.
It was not listed as the North American French Open or anything else. That is what we thought was wrong. Start and finnish of it.
Dear Sambatogo,
I would like to agree with you but am not shure now if you speak for yourself or
" the others" because you prefer the cover, and do not take personal pride for own contributions, while writing under the word "us". Just for my benefit, is "us" CDDSC ? Have your contributions reflected your ( personal ) feelings, or were you repeating the influencial 'others' ?
As you may know we pronounce "us" and "ass" same way, and I just wanted to know who I agreed with in the past till this absolutely my very last post. Not even today do I want to say anything, or be not sympathetic to your demise. I cheer for WDC and anyone else who works hard for the benefit of dance, rather then personal enrichment, power.
I wish you all well and I am out !
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Re: La Classic 2008
14. března 2008 5:40
Hello everyone. I'm new here so try not to beat me up too soon.
I'm from Canada, Ontario to be exact, and when I looked at the entry form for La Classique (not sure where La Classic comes from) I really didn't think twice about it saying French Open. I suppose I thought it sounded a tad odd but I assumed they meant French as in the language, rather than France the country.
I think we would have to ask the organizers their intention but I assume it was an innocent one. Then again, hey, perhaps it was an off-handed knock to the English speaking Canadians or Canada in general.  Okay, I'm bad, spank me.
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Re: La Classic 2008
14. března 2008 8:40
Hi Rugby & werlcome
Just a thought. It's well known (over here at least) that Quebec would like nothing better than to be independent of Canada. If that is correct, perhaps the use of the word French is just a reflection of that nationalistic feeling and not some IDSf, CADA etc conspiracy.
Just my thoughts
Regards
Steve Kelly
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