Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

31. srpna 2007 18:27

Lets clarify some assumptions.

#1.  All Professionals listed signed the letter.

Signed or were listed ?

Have they ?    Or,  has CDF listed the names to show that the overwhelming majority of significant Professionals have become CDF members ?  In which case the argument could be,  was it appropriate to list the names of the Professionals and have it posted on this forum ?  And the answer would be:  " Why should they mind ? "  many of them pay good moneys to advertize their services all over the place.  Here you can pick a name, make a contact and ask for private lessons...

#2.  CDF send the letter to Dancesportinfo.net to have the letter publicized.

Have they ?  I doubt this channel of communication...but,  the 'letter' has ( somehow ) found its way onto this Forum.   I suppose there is nothing wrong with making it a public domain,  the letter has explained CDF's  position and their relationship and struggle as profesional and discontent with the 'used-to-be' CDDSC.   Nothing wrong.  It clarified for those who were unaware of the split amongst the Canadian Professionals how it came about, why,  and indicated the direction which the new and improved professional dance association will follow in Canada.  All this while expressing support to amateur dance.

Anything wrong ?

Let me repeat the question.   "Has CDF hurt anyone ?"    

If so, whom ?

Or are they being attacked and criticized by those   who caused the discontent  and were left behind as a result of the split and now are an insignificant minority,  with very much diminished ( if any )  authority, and embarassed because they mismanaged (many times mentioned) the  WDC's   North American Alliance ( NAA) ? 

I hope you stick around and debate  more issues, and ask more questions.  It appears some of the new threads  have attracted valuable first time postings.

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

3. září 2007 13:37

think of me:

Lets clarify some assumptions.

#1.  All Professionals listed signed the letter.

Signed or were listed ?

Have they ?    Or,  has CDF listed the names to show that the overwhelming majority of significant Professionals have become CDF members ?  In which case the argument could be,  was it appropriate to list the names of the Professionals and have it posted on this forum ?  And the answer would be:  " Why should they mind ? "  many of them pay good moneys to advertize their services all over the place.  Here you can pick a name, make a contact and ask for private lessons...

 

#2.  CDF send the letter to Dancesportinfo.net to have the letter publicized.

 

Have they ?  I doubt this channel of communication...but,  the 'letter' has ( somehow ) found its way onto this Forum.   I suppose there is nothing wrong with making it a public domain,  the letter has explained CDF's  position and their relationship and struggle as profesional and discontent with the 'used-to-be' CDDSC.   Nothing wrong.  It clarified for those who were unaware of the split amongst the Canadian Professionals how it came about, why,  and indicated the direction which the new and improved professional dance association will follow in Canada.  All this while expressing support to amateur dance.

Anything wrong ?

Let me repeat the question.   "Has CDF hurt anyone ?"    

If so, whom ?

Dear Think of Me.

Assumptions?

May I please respectfully deal first with Number 2 of your post,

Might I suggest you check "ALL THE NEWS"  here at dancesportinfo.net.

There you will read (currently Page 3) "Submitted by CDF.  21st June, 2007".

The same "NEWS" is shown on the CDF website (without the signatories)

I think then you have your answer in that respect.No assumptions.

It is accepted standards of behaviour for reputable organisations that names included on an e-mail are signatories, have been consulted and are in complete agreement with their name being attached.

Not an assumption just accepted behaviour..

I regret I must disagree that the letter explained

"their relationship and struggle as profesional and discontent with the 'used-to-be' CDDSC."

I cannot find any such explanation. 

I am also intrigued by "used to be". . 

Are you announcing that a body identified as CDDSC no longer exists?.  

Now Item 1.  Are you suggesting that the signatures were added to the  announcement for "dance friends worldwide" in the hope the named persons could have a FREE advert on dancesportinfo.net and pick up a few lessons?

How desperate is that?

I am sorry to also say that in my opinion - outside of  Canada - the huge % of names have no significance and I do not mean that in a nasty and hurtful way. It is more a case that regretfully few have been international champions or involved in the training of international champions. 

I would go so far as to suggest that for the majority of people on this forum they do not have a clue if the names ar 10%, 50% or 90% of Canadian professionals.

Did CDF hurt anyone? 

Well lets start with Canadian dancing for a start.  Do you really believe that splits and arguments are of benefit to the Professional Canadian Dance Scene?  

As I and others have asked - why if you have overwhelming support break away and start a new body?  Surely democracy and unity are a better solution.

Then lets consider the Canadian Amateurs who have been hurt as they are are not allowed to compete in events other than those supported by CADA/CDF. 

Restrictive practises and discrimination are NOT the Canadian way.

These are dancers who as you recorded must save up to be able to travel long distances to dance in events in which they can compete.

Then lets think  about the Amateur Competitors world wide who have been hurt by bans, boycotts, suspension, embargos, and restrictions, all of which CDF wishes to announce they support because they have a good system "that works".  Yes it "works" for them because they are allowed to run their competitions and allowed to continue their coaching BUT there are many for whom it does NOT work.  

Finally I would suggest that CDF have hurt themselves with what many consider an immature, petty and unprofessional "News" announcement..

Outside of CDF There cannot be one person in the dance world who was not aware that the proposal was made by the Canadian Representative on the WDC.

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Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

2. listopadu 2007 12:36

With a name like Sambatogo show us you have some 'balls',  and try talk for yourself.

You wrote: 

"It is noticed that the Canadian Dance Federation really don`t have any real answers to the many important questions that are presented to them, by the persons on this posting."

"It is noticed"  ?   You mean Sambatogo, just after 4 posts noticed something ?

"Real answers" ?    Is there an unreal answer ?

"Questions presented to them ?   Do you mean questions plastered somewhere on the Internet, signed by  coward  hiding under nick names ?   Why not try to  use the real channels of communication, formalize your questions ( if you are capable, and interested)  and mail it to "them" ?

"Important Questions" ?    Important ?  By whose standards, important in whose opinions ?   If they were important, would they not be delivered in a proper manner, instead of being posted annonymously on some dance forum ?

"Presented to them " ?    Presented  ?  You assume Sambatogo those responsible for running  CDF daily  monitor Internet postings, eager to answer any coward who makes a snipe remark,  nasty posting . 

How long has Sambatogo been around to point a finger at anyone, at any organization,  suggesting they are not active ...perhaps "they" have not even logged on this web site,  being  busy creating new dancesport oportunities for Canadian dancers and professionals ?   After all,  you  Sambatogo appear to have 'a life', since you have contributed just 5 times.  How would youy like a posting :

 " It has been  noticed that  Sambatogo has no opinion and lacks originality of thinking of his own, abd his only intention is to keep this thread alive   " ?

"Not going to use this web site" ?    Have they used this web site before ?  Are you  certain "they" used this web site before,  or, was it somebody else who forwarded the  letter with and (later) without the signatures to the site, as someone suggested  ?

And if "they'" are "guilty" of sending the letter,  why on Earth would you think "they"  should, from then on, use this web site ?   

"Either way it seems like they have little to no credibility."   ?

Have you made your post just to keep the 'thread " alive and in the forefront ?

What a pile of garbage thinking.  There is not even a logic to what you wrote.  And what a rubbish like conclusion.  Who has no credibility ?  A recognized organization who had signed majority of the most prominent dancesport professionals in Canada, which  promotes and organizes new events,  recognized by IDSF, organization which has left the 'other' Canadian professional organization licking their wounds and way back in the dust ? 

In my opinion  "they" would lose credibility if  "they"  started answering the unkind, petty, immature,  uninformed and often visious attacks and hateful comments made against "them", and,  about "them" by people who have no 'balls' to sign under their real  names. 

Can  you be proud of yourself Sambatogo ?    

 Tell us what You think,  not what was noticed,  what You observed, not what was observed,  do not use the the immature, elementary-science-school- like third tense reporting.  How unimaginative,  how unsincere you sound,   how low  it speaks of  your very own credibility... what are you so scared of , to  be identified by the one who stews on this forum, analyzing all posts to no end,  always ready to join in bashing CADA, OADA, CDF not to forget IDSF,   and any positive dancesport changes and activities by these dancesport entities ?

Or, have I misread, and you are a brave, analytical person with your own mind,  with a thought of your own to contribute,  instead of resorting to attack defenceless,  because "they" just cannot be bothered , and unaware,  and do not "visit"here ?

 PLEASE, do not come to assumptions that I have anything to do with "them" ,  because I  do not .   But someone impartial should stand up and defend "them"  just as  the impartial came to the defence of our Polkadancer when attacked by unkind Puppy.

By the way,  what is WDC doing these days,  while we hear of all activities, and actions by IDSF ( positive or negative) ?

If WDC does not push the ball ahead, on an incline ,  the ball will not  stay still,  it  moves back.  I hope CDF will not make same mistake, unfortunately Professionals like acting as individuals,  compete amongst themselves for opportunities to judge, to  earn living,  they are competing for students, they are critical one of another,  they are fregmented and therefore weak  and in a considerable disadvatage to deal with organizations which act in a united way.

And do not blame IDSF for uniting....that is what they do..and when they do,  those in their way get rolled over and  sometimes there are  innocent casualities,  and it is unfortunate.

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

4. listopadu 2007 9:06

Dear Sambatoga

Can I just say how much I agree with your wise observations.  I have not read the post made between your last two posts but can imagine that it had - as usual - attacks of a personal nature and certainly NO anwers.

It was without any doubt  The Candian Dancesport Federation  that with their e-mail to the webmaster fr publication placed the issue  in the public domain. Unless they were totally naive then they had to expect public examination and questions.

In truth I never expected answers. 

It is impossible to defend the indefensible..

I simply wished those who were reading the "News" placed in the PUBLIC domain to think and realise that some would do anything to satisfy their own ego and protect their own interests.  If this caused harm to the Nations reputation  if it caused damage to their profession if the disunity harmed Canadian Dancing at ALL  levels that was not important.   They had protected their own interests.

We could be generous and ask where they simply following CADA orders.

Truth is as previously we will not get an answer..

Re: Mail from Canadian Dancesport Federation.

5. listopadu 2007 5:55

Very interesting what people say is it not?

Some points that are NOT fact.

1, That the CDF represents the majority of Professionals in Canada.

This is absolutly not the trueth. It only represents the Professionals who have, and have allways had a close association with CADA. The CDF just now gives them a organization that will agree to all CADA dictartorial terms. The CDF allows professionals to make their choice, or be able to sit on the political fence.

2, That the Professional organization, the CDDSC, is used to be.

The CDDSC is alive and well with many more Amatuer dancers registered with them than probably all of CADA! Although not all the top ones at this time. And many to all competing Professionals, and many many more adjudicators. Several organizers wish to run CDDSC events is the rumour I hear.

3, That the CDDSC was forcing Amatuers to register with the CDDSC.

There is no evidence of this, and nothing to suport this argument. Just CDF heresay.