Re: More respect to the ladys please.

28. února 2007 18:33

I want to make it clear, that I just want judges to take the dancing females serious.

When they are bad, judge them bad.

When they are good, show them respect.

If both the man and the female are a perfect match, let it be judged well.

Please take care that we respect the ladies, otherwise make competitions for sole male dancers.

But I would then miss something.

Re: More respect to the ladys please.

28. února 2007 22:19

Re: More respect to the ladys please.

1. března 2007 15:47

xxcraboxx:

As it has already been pointed out 10-20years ago the ladies used to count more in latin.  The shift is in my opinion due to the increased depth of the sport.  There are many many great lady dancers that have flawless technique, speed and presentation.  Outside of the few top women who have a bit extra or their own style, Lunis, Carmen, come to mind, the large majority are almost indistinguishable.  The top men on the other hand have a much greater variety of styles and techniques, hence they become the deciding factor. If more women assert their role as the stylistic director of the couple instead of dancing lwith default styling their impact on the couples placement will be more pronounced.

Actually if we don’t consider just the TOP couples who get their right appreciation and judgment any way, we will find that many Amateurs are “style clones” of TOP professionals.  

However, if we look closer we’ll find quite few good female dancer (with personal style and technique) lost some where in the first rounds. How about the ladies who have those qualities but do not have a proper man to support them? They still don’t get the right appreciation from judges, so basically they can reasonably ask: ‘why try?!’

We can of course suggest that they find another male partner who will be equally as creative in style and as good in technique. But how can they if there is 1 partner for 10 girls (exaggerating of course) so better stick to the one you already have?! Also considering that girls don’t get too much appreciation from judges, they would probably have trouble finding high level partner due to their results. We all know that for most dancers looking for the partner results, somehow, matter more than the real dancing level.

 So unless women and men are judged equally, most of them don’t have a chance for further improvement and acknowledgment.  

Re: More respect to the ladys please.

4. března 2007 19:19

You may suggest that the adjudicators mark all females and males separately,  and declare the top females and top males ... ???

Have you seen in figure skating a male  throwing a female into the air, ever so gracefuly,  she raises up , up towards the ceiling,  you think she will never return back,  he is waiting for her,  she starts decending but $#@ on her beautiful behind.

 Should the male be getting great marks and his lady ZERO for the fall ?

And oposite,  he throws her so badly she has no time to say 123  and she is spending the rest of her iternity in somersaults,  she was so great, before she squated down as a duck,  she flew through the air as a swan ,  and   it was not her fault, she should not be marked down,  punish the male !

In a 2,3,4,5 member skiff,  or in 2,3,4,5   sled racing,  have you ever heard anyone say,  the second and the third rower/runner were superiour to the first and to the fifth ?  Therefore number 2 and 3 should be the winners ?

  And if a team  climbs to the top of the mountain, and all fall down the hill because of the failure of one team member, have you seen a report: " Boy,  you should have seen the leader holding on that  rusty  nail,  too bad the others pulled him/her down the hill to their demise. He almost made it to the top".

There  is no HE vs. SHE  in dancesport,  this is a team effort and it is not 50:50, sometimes it is 90: 10 another moment it is 10:90,  depending what you dance, what you do....if the genttleman's gear  breaks down ( an open fly with a white shirt finding the way out )  it is a team failure,  if the lady's strap breaks , it is also a team failure.  Those who wrote this is an equal partnership said it right. It is an equal partnership,  and by equal this can be one time 10:90, another time 75: 25 and again 95:5.  The fact is that in dance 1+1 =1  and if HE is unhappy about HER, let THEM figure it out,  and if SHE is unhappy about HIM, let THEM figure it out,  and make appropriate change.  Till then, enjoy the dance,  there is a reason why the two are dancing together.

In many sports you will not be counted unless both partners cross the finish line. And if the batton is dropped after the first pass,  too bad for the Olympic Champion who is the last to deliver and win the race,  and too bad for the freestyle swimmer,  who competes his/her last lap swim in an astonishing 'world record'  if his/her team mates completed the backstroke, butterfly and *** stroke a minute after the other teams. ( interesting I can type boob-stroke, but not a breaststroke ;)

Re: More respect to the ladys please.

4. března 2007 21:56

Please notice that in Figure skating the couple is announced first by the Lady'ss name and then her partner. That is actually more correct according to the etiquette. In Dancing the couple is announced by the Male name and then his partner...Even while discussing dance couples (including top professionals) most people just name the Male name though they discuss the couple and not just him. That’s not very respectful!! So if people forget to even mention names of the girls, what kind of ‘respect’ do we expect at all?!

By the way…If you say the effort is 90-10 or 10-90…are you suggesting that at this moment the one works like a horse while the other one is smoking a cigar?!

I’m sorry but the team effort means that it’s 50-50, other wise it’s not a team at all if one shows effort of 90 and the other of 10! Only at certain moments the work of one partner is more important than the work of another for creating an overall ‘picture’. But these times their effort still stays 50-50!

So if you see the couple whose effort you can perceive as 90-10 or 60-40 or 25-75 that is not an equal partnership! Unfortunately judges only notice such differences in effort when it comes to low effort of the guy and hard work of the girl- then they judge accordingly, i.e. low marks. But when it comes to a hard effort of the guy and low of the girl, judges seem to not notice the low part…….

Show respect for the ladies!